I want to make sure they understand why I'm so matter-of-fact about it. I didn't break down and cry or anything. The public was prohibited from Rose Hill Cemetery, and no friends or other relatives showed up. "We have to get the Government to move before it's too late.". I have to admit that when I heard that he used to play with me all the time, that was a nice feeling. She sat us down, with my stepbrother, and started to explain who our father was- that it wasn't Kenneth - and who Lee was and what he had done. It's a little bit like opening a family album you didn't know existed before. It sounds as if most people are not aware you're Lee Oswald's daughter.A: Yes and no. A: I would make a difference in the sense of justice being served. There are a lot of assassination buffs who have analyzed all the technical data and the other available material and even they don't agree about what happened.Q: But are you comfortable with the fact that Lee Oswald played at least some role?A: I think there definitely is circumstantial evidence that could imply he had something to do with it because of the characters he was hanging out with in New Orleans. Its the first time weve seen pictures of her in about 20 years. Jackie Kennedys pink dress. Mailer is such a great writer; I was just so enthralled. And there have been public hearings there and in Dallas and Boston. An obituary in the Wichita Falls Times Record News reported the elder Oswald was 83 at the time of his death. James R Leavelle, the detective who was handcuffed to Lee Harvey Oswald when the killer of John F Kennedy was in turn shot dead by Jack Ruby, has died. But you know, just because you're hanging out with a weird group -- they could have set him up, and he could have had no idea what was going on that day.Q: Did you ever take the so-called assassination tour?A: Not until recently. I've wondered what my kids are going to turn out like. It was the committees hope to keep the matter from becoming public information in order that Mrs. Oswalds opportunity to review the matter objectively would not be lost, he said. The first of its kind in the country, the ELI was established to provide instruction and support for international students who speak English as a second language. Where Does Marina Porter Live Porter still lives with her second husband Kenneth, however in private, and is afraid to go out in public. Oswald with ELI Director Catford on graduation day in February 1965. Judith Baker, author of "Me and Lee - How I came to know, love, and lose Lee Harvey Oswald," presents an article at a symposium on Sat. Whom do you really think of as dad? He was 99. Oswald was considered an average student at the English Language Institute. Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. Because Marina Oswald realized that she and her children could become the focus of attention at any time, she made sure June and Rachel were always neatly dressed -- no matter how small the chore, and despite the fact that the family was often financially strapped. The churchgoer turned to her minister at Ann Arbors First Presbyterian Church. Hey Dixie! He encouraged First Presbyterian members to maintain a vital balance between personal religion and constructive involvement in the ongoing life of the world.. And I'm gonna be in Dallas, and I want to sing it to you.". She was born after her family moved to Dallas from Russia. When my mother came on and this interview went so badly, I decided I really wanted to rebut. The way I finally woke up was, one night he said, "I'm gonna sell an article to Penthouse or Playboy" -- I forget which -- "and it's about your mother. Marina kept to her wordafter the days surrounding the assassination, neither June nor Rachel was ever allowed to see their grandmother again. Email notifications are only sent once a day, and only if there are new matching items. A: I've never publicly said one way or the other for sure. She his always felt really bogged down by it. they went on with their lives as the girls hardly knew their father and are not bothered by others Oh great!" They first met last April in Washington. Browse 22 June Lee Oswald had two children, Rachel and June the. I found this on page 182 of the forum, well worth a read. I'm convinced that your mother and Priscilla had a sexual relationship." Are they going to take after some ancestor we don't even know? Later that year the family moved from Russia to the United States. My husband couldn't have cared less. The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. ", on Interview with Lee Harvey Oswalds Daughter She Believes in his Innocence, Interview with Lee Harvey Oswalds Daughter She Believes in his Innocence. Q: I'm sure there must have been a lot of unusual incidents as you were growing up. [quote name='John Geraghty' date='May 13 2006, 02:49 PM' post='62308'], Dixie, thanx for the interview. In my book she belongs where her husband is. On February 15, 1962 their daughter, June Lee Oswald, was born. It's not a matter of being ashamed, it's a matter of wanting to be judged as June Oswald and not "the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald.". My secretary in my last job put two and two together based on one of those articles. I was really supportive. _________________________________________. It was one of many strange, discordant reactions that led many to question her sanity in the days and years aheadand to find the likely source of many of her sons problems. And then she was gone. Mom was always overprotective of us. So I sat across the hall in a time-out room. So I said, O.K, this is it. Anyway, the only person I knew up there was Priscilla Johnson McMillan, who wrote my mother's book. It was just kind of eerie. She looks just like her father, with her mother's eyes. I'm a strong woman, but I don't know if I could've kept myself together. daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald spoke on her feeling. ), When commission members presented her with paperwork written in English by her husband, she recognized his handwriting but did not comprehend the words. In addition, Porter was under Secret Service protection until she finished giving testimony before the Warren Commission. She hadn't read it. And they got my mother on television in a live interview - she still doesn't have a good grasp of the language - and they were asking her specific questions about this book. Just out of the blue. Q: When were you actually told about your father and the assassination? The only mention of Obviously, if I'd wanted to share that I would have told everyone a long time ago. Nope. In one test (conducted by CBS News), 13 people were able to duplicate his shots. Four of those people had never fired the Mannlicher Carbiner "We have to get the Government to move before it's too late.". WebFor years, the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald has avoided cameras while she tries to live a quiet life in Rockwall, northeast of Dallas. Just out of the blue. On November 25, 1963, the nations gaze was transfixed by the horse-drawn caisson and final burial of President John F. Kennedy. A: I've always called him that. She wanted to know Lee; she wants Lee to be a saint. Q: If someone was to ask you today who your father is, what would you say? Now, Mom does articles that she doesn't bother to tell me she's doing, and sometimes my name comes up. He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. Two days later, as authorities transferred him to a different jail, Oswald was gunned down by Jack Ruby, a Dallas nightclub owner. A: It was unusual. A: The last two years have been very stressful, because she started doing things that she hasn't let us know about, then all of a sudden I hear about it or see it on TV. His writing has been published byThe New Yorker, The New York Times, The New Republicand many others. Perhaps my opinion is wrong, but at least I do not want to live with her and listen to scandals every day. Please tell a good story, she told reporters. Church leaders had suggested to Oswald that she use an assumed name when coming to Ann Arbor, but she declined. During her talk, Baker criticized newspaper reports that she said inaccurately portrayed Oswald as a mentally unstable communist. It's not a matter of being ashamed, it's a matter of wanting to be judged as June Oswald and not "the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald.". A: It has put certain strain on it. I started worrying about, first of all, do I have a responsibility to tell them? She didn't feel like Kenneth was her dad. And I'm gonna be in Dallas, and I want to sing it to you. She is convinced that her phones are tapped by the Secret Service and the Secret Service wants to kill her. He tried to after the arrest but everybody discounted it. But see, I'm matter-of-fact about a lot in my life. But see, I'm matter-of-fact about a lot in my life. Additionally, Porter told the commission she believed her husband was guilty of shooting President Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963. And more: "There were some violent scenes. Wish there were more, by the family of Lee. Since I hadn't gotten a response, I toyed with the idea that I might have to go public. He tracked me down. So I sat across the hall in a time-out room. I do remember that our phones were tapped. There were a lot of things leading up to that that they wanted Mom to do, and Mom in recent years has gotten more and more involved, I guess because she's getting older and trying to rectify some of the things she may have done unintentionally -- like stating publicly that Lee did it. Social justice drove Campbell, and he urged worshippers to engage with the world to right its wrongs. I said I appreciate it, but I really don't get involved in that. Very interesting. "I have nothing and I survive. Upon entering public school, June took the surname of her stepfather, Kenneth Porter, who married Marina in 1965. We visited the set of "JFK" when it was going on, and somebody said, "Your father was a hero." It started in 1941 with nine students. Now, the word father does mean Lee to me, But dad is Dad. In 1965, Marina Oswald [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Oswald_Porter ] got remarried to Kenneth Jess Porter, an electrician who was a neighb Well, we're all waiting and a car pulls up in the driveway, and Mom rushes out to greet these parents, and they happen to be a man and a woman, and they've got a camera and she says, "Oh, you're gonna take pictures! Before the year came to a close, the churchs leaders would invite Oswald to Ann Arbor and offer to host her while she studied at U-M. Image: You are the hope for the future, Baker said. I didn't really want to be the center of gossip in this whole building. She sat us down, with my stepbrother, and started to explain who our father was -- that it wasn't Kenneth -- and who Lee was and what he had done. Because that's mostly what I think of when I think of Lee. See for example this thread and interview: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=659, http://www.jfkresearch.com/marina/marina.htm. Q: Did you ever take the so-called assassination tour? She didn't want to listen to anyone. And I'll tell you why: It could come up at any minute. I tell her, "Rachel, for all we know, we could have been living in the streets." We were studying the Presidents. So l never connected it as a big negative or anything. And she said, "June Oswald?" I don't think that's true. Are they going to take after some ancestor we don't even know? WebAudrey Marina Rachel Oswald is the second daughter of Porter and her first husband Lee Harvey Oswald. (Other than Russian, I dont know any other language, she testified. She uses her stepfathers name, Porter, to avoid unwanted attention from being related to an infamous character. But anonymity exacted a curious price of its own, as June faced myriad graceless references to her father, mother and family. Moreover, Porter still lives with her second husband Kenneth, however in private, and is afraid to go out in public. Another car pulls up -- and that's the parents and the little boy. A Brief History of the Salem Witch Trials. She came to New Orleans to give the discussion and promote her book, Me and Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald. Audience members received a book with their ticket purchase, and Baker signed copies throughout the day. She should send James Files a letter. As UPI reporter Preston McGraw noted, "One at a time, quickly, the two women bent down and kissed the corpse.". Please get her away from Michigan. A: Yes, I'm also very excited about that. We always used my stepfather's name, Porter, growing up, even though we were never legally adopted. I couldnt remember anything after he was shot, Baker said. Porter met Lee Harvey Oswald at a dance in March 1961 in Russia. And she said: "I'm so-and-so, and I just want you to know that I've written a song about you -- and your child. So he moved to Boston and wanted me to join him. Saunders, who came as an observer, was asked by Marguerite to officiate. Thanks for this. Yet the CIA never questioned him. There's always been this little group that's followed us -- Mom, Rachel and me -- and calls us and is fascinated by anything surrounding us. Nonetheless, during several interviews over the past she reports being content. Well, there's a travel guide she found out about that actually listed the Texas Chili Parlor and said the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald worked there. Q: Do you and Rachel argue much about this?A: Yes. But I still have problems in that area, because I date a lot. In her early years, grocery shopping with her mother, Marina, and sister, Rachel, took place amid stares and finger-pointing; hushed conversations ignited around them like flash fires as they walked the supermarket aisles. "She never knew when we'd run into someone, and she didn't want us to look like poor white trash"' June says simply. These rarely-seen pictures of President John F. Kennedy's assassination, autopsy, and funeral reveal the full story of the shooting that shook the nation in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963. She also said she watched Oswalds shooting by Jack Ruby two days later. June is quieter about her own marriage, which ended in 1992. For many years, the widow has avoided cameras while she tries to live a quiet life in Rockwall, northeast of Dallas. Mrs. Porter has said that she came to believe that her husband Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent. If they could prove somehow that he was innocent, he'd still not be a hero, he'd be a martyr. A: It would have been, like, first grade. It sounds as if most people are not aware you're Lee Oswald's daughter. And then, they tell a story about how after that I stood up in front of the whole class and said, "My father shot the President." She didn't feel like Kenneth was her dad. Somehow those boxes came down and she was reading, and I guess she felt it was time to tell us. I went on a car trip up to the house I had lived in with Lee, Lee's boarding house, another house Mom had lived in with Lee that's still standing, the path of the motorcade, where the bullets hit.Q: How did you feel about that?A: It was -- unusual. The wall build around Oswald's family women was intense after Dallas. Mom accused me one day of being ashamed of who I was. Porter married Oswald during his temporary defection to the Soviet Union and emigrated to the United States with him. Is David Lifton still working on a book about Lee? She was never recognized. At U-M, she would join 29 international students from Mexico, Israel, Greece, the Dominican Republic and elsewhere hoping to improve their English. He beat my mother. Q: To what extent have you followed the various conspiracy theories?A: It's only in recent years that I've started to get involved in all that, mostly as part of trying to get the records released. In Dallas, Porter gave birth to a second daughter, Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald. She wanted to know Lee; she wants lee to be a saint. She later moved to Minsk to live with her uncle Ilya Prusakov, a colonel in the Soviet Ministry of Internal Affairs, and to study pharmacy. She said she came to know Oswald while the two worked on a plot to kill Fidel Castro during one summer when she was 19. Your Privacy Rights What if, she proposed, the church brought Mrs. Oswald to study English at the University of Michigan? Terms of Use A good person. It would seem a perfect fit for Oswald. I'm a strong woman, but I don't know if I could've kept myself together. We were studying the Presidents. There are a lot of assassination buffs who have analyzed all the technical data and the other available material and even they don't agree about what happened. Marina was stunned by Marguerites aggressive publicity seeking and despised her incessant focus on money. Just in recent years; but yes. I answered every letter, rightly or wrongly feeling it the obligation of my ministry to do so. Twenty-eight years later, she granted this TV interview. The law said that if they felt that way, then those documents needed to be turned over to the Assassination Records Review Board and those folks would review the records and either concur, release them in blacked out state or release them entirely. So this little boy she was going with, his parents were going to come get her and they were going to go to the dance. If the truth can be found that shows Lee had nothing to do with the assassination, I would feel better in that there have been a lot of things said and done regarding my family that all proceeded from an erroneous perception of what he did or didn't do. I have no job or income. Like she did a movie and it involved me and Rachel, and she didn't tell us first. A: The "second spirter," right. But she was not too happy that I had found her and at that moment in time was not interested in. She was born on July 17, 1941, in Severodvinsk, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union. Together, they would learn and study five hours every weekday for eight weeks. I move all the way up there, and his parents wouldn't even let us stay in his house because I was the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. The couple later married on April 30, 1961. Thanks for the video; I'd never seen it before. Thank you for posting this excellent article. More than a year after the death of her son, Marguerite was still full of self-pity and anger, concocting new schemes to investigate her son's lifeshe told everyone he was a government agent despite a lack of evidenceand raise money. WebIn the show Quantum Leap (1989), there was an episode titled "Lee Harvey Oswald,", which was a 2-hour episode, and showed main character Sam Beckett (Scott Bakula) leaping into Oswald's life at various points of significance between 1957 and 1963, beginning in 1963 in Oswald's yard, where Marina is taking the famous photograph of By then, he had moved on from Ann Arbor to the pulpit of Riverside Church in New York City. Then I find out he's been doing some quote-unquote assassination research. The next memory I actually have is in second grade. She was the aggrieved. The word Oswald was stamped in red ink over photographs of the two girls. Anyway, the only person I knew up there was Priscilla Johnson McMillan, who wrote my mother's book. What do I tell them? Q: But are you comfortable with the fact that Lee Oswald played at least some role? By Got a question? Without any sources, national news outlets began reporting that two women students allegedly attacked Oswald in a campus building. Then I find out he's been doing some quote-unquote assassination research. WebMarina Nikolayevna Oswald had two daughters, a 21-month-old toddler and an infant born just five weeks before the assassination. Q: How old were you then?A: It would have been, like, first grade. There's always been this little group that's followed us - Mom, Rachel and me-and calls us and is fascinated by anything surrounding us. There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. Are you able to maintain the same detachment when you see that? Those who insist that the church should not become embroiled are really pressing for an irrelevant church, he preached. Even an intended compliment could hold hidden barbs - as when a male co-worker remarked on June's resemblance to "a young Marina Oswald," then immediately apologized, saying he "didn't mean to insult her" by invoking the infamous name. Oswald's girlfriend offers variation on JFK assassination. Q: How did you feel about being singled out? So he moved to Boston and wanted me to join him. When the executive committee of the church governing body, known as the Session, reached out to Oswald in late 1963, it had done so in secret in order that Mrs. Oswald might be free from the pressure of publicity in considering the offer. Its members never informed the Session or any other congregant of the invitation, or of Oswalds acceptance. My father is Kenneth Porter, the man I grew up with, the man who was there for my mother and Rachel and me.Q: And if someone were to show scientifically that Lee Oswald was or wasn't involved, that wouldn't make a difference to you?A: It would make a difference in the sense of justice being served. I was really supportive. I always feel torn by whether I'm required to tell somebody about my history. This is material I never would have known about insofar as my mother's side of the family, because my mother was illegitimate, you know. Oswald was born in New Orleans, Louisiana, on October 18, 1939 to Robert Edward Lee Oswald, Sr. (18961939) and Marguerite Frances Claverie (19071981). Robert Oswald died of a heart attack two months before Lee was born. Since I hadn't gotten a response, I toyed with the idea that I might have to go public. Her combative attitude never wavered. Six weeks For all I know it's still tapped. And we got to President Kennedy and I was told to go across the hall during that one. For all I know it's still tapped. I usually end up telling people that I'm seeing very often. They had no idea their church had offered to host her, to the point of leaders offering to pay for her transportation, housing and coursework out of their own pockets. After her husbands death, she said she wanted to stay in the United States and improve her English. Born in New Orleans, Louisiana, the son of Robert Edward Lee Oswald and Marguerite She implored the audience to question accepted knowledge about the assassination. Oct. 19, 2013 at Loyola University in New Orleans. As Oswald was in her final weeks of campus, her name once again made news around the country. The way I finally woke up was, one night he said, "I'm gonna sell an article to Penthouse or Playboy"- I forget which - "and it's about your mother. But it was so funny because Mom talked to them for -- I mean, nobody noticed that the date wasn't there! It was a statement she memorialized by etching it in copper. Why are 40+ guests suddenly reading this very old thread, as well as a smaller but still significant number reading an old thread on Marina? We visited the set of "J.F.K." Well, I was satisfied with my dad, so I've never felt this big need to connect with Lee or do the daughter-father thing. She however remarried two years after Oswalds murder. He sold an article for an astronomical amount back then -- I think it was $25,000. It was just kind of eerie.Q: I'm sure there must have been a lot of unusual incidents as you were growing up.A: I remember Rachel's seventh-grade dance. A: Yes and no. Lee and Marina Oswald's daughter wants to completely understand what was done to her father and why, perhaps as much or more than the the rest of the world if you believe what she says for herself. I read this intvu again and if there are two people I'd love to talk to, it's Rachel and June. when it was going on, and somebody said, "Your father was a hero." He said things when we were together like he really wanted to have children because "that would be the blood of Lee Harvey Oswald that was flowing through the kids.". We stayed with her for the summer. A: It's only in recent years that I've started to get into all that, mostly as part trying to get the records released. Citing an extensive collection of government records and personal accounts, Baker argued the governments investigations of President John F. Kennedys assassination, of which Oswald was charged, were flawed. Oswald was among 30 students in her English Language Institute course. In her early years, grocery I have to admit that when I heard that he used to play with me all the time, that was a nice feeling. This struck a chord with someone in the congregation who believed the church could help Lee Harvey Oswalds widow through education, assimilation and the English Language Institute. It's right across from the Capitol, and she was a waitress. Q: Where do you stand today as far as your perception of what really happened out there in Dealey Plaza? Not so with Oswald. We always used my stepfather's name, Porter, growing up, even though we were never legally adopted. As America's obsession with her father goes on, a daughter tries to set the record straight. The first chapter opens with my family, and he goes way back to my great-grandmother in Russia. I have to remind Rachel that this is the man who beat our mother, who didn't provide for his children. I think she is out to make money than if she has to say he is guilty. A: I remember what I did during that time-out was, I plotted how I could run for class president and win! Outside of class, students visited museums, zoos and sporting events while practicing their English. She left town two days later, an alumna of Michigan. There was a bill passed at the end of the Bush Administration that required all Government agencies to review their files for any information related to the assassination and to release it - unless they felt there were matters of national security or a couple of other issues. And they got my mother on television in a live interview -- she still doesn't have a good grasp of the language -- and they were asking her specific questions about this book. John F. Kennedy, on November 24, 1963, as Oswald was being transferred to a county jail. But I still have problems in that area, because I date a lot. Porter stands at a height of 5 ft 5 in (Approx. Copyright 2023 | WordPress Theme by MH Themes, List of States in the US, Alphabetical list of States in the U.S., and Abbreviation of States in United States. So I said, O.K., this is it. 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