1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. MB 300E 24v Turbo MS3X. The alternator for the W124 will work, but the wires will be kinked in an unnatural position. 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.d-td-class/2408521-e36-amg-project.html?amp=1, nos AMG Bodykits C126 W126 W124 W201 W116 R107. The steering box is in fact in a different location on the M102 cars versus the 6-cylinder M103 cars. as i have said, the chassis for 2.6 vs all other models are different. Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? It barely sticks now when floored. However, The flywheel is going to be a problem for you. Haven't taken it to the track yet but I know it has over 220bhp. __________________. What did you need to do to convert the coils from the three coils and three wires to six individual invention coils on the m104 engine? Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. Remove with transmission attached. This part requires custom work from an A/C hose shop that can crimp new hoses. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. Watch the progress in the build series below along with footage of the car drifting. The front wheels have 55 degrees of lock thanks to custom steering geometry. you have a diamond in the rough. Head gasket and oil leaks are common to both engines. Sweden for a dyno tune. Yes, I'm putting the 1995 E420 Special Edition on the block for a number of reasons which I'm not going to expound on here about. Is that a street car? you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. Aftermarket is obviously with the LS. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU and it made 800 horsepower and 930 Nm of torque to the wheels. Remember that according to any 400E/E420 owner, it is 90% of a 500E !! Removed the front bumper, upper radiator support, radiator, condenser, and engine harness. You will need to reclock the alternator by removing the screws holding the 2 halves of the alternator together and turning them to match how a 190E alternator looks. Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. And still, the purists cried, "Heresy!" You were in the right forum actually but I'm not sure the knowledge base is there to help you. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. After the legendary E30 and its potent inline-four, then the successful inline-sixes of the E36 and E46, the step up to a V8 did seem a bit unavoidable. Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. It's like obsidian gray in color so it can't be, then again it's been repainted, but I think the same color. Install without transmission. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. These are the prices for the 95 E320 two years ago: $575.00 124 440 56 32 (early model run) $714.76 124 440 29 33 (late model run) You can type in these part numbers (or the number on your current harness) on FastLane to determine the current prices. Going to add the flywheel magnet to a single mass M103 FW, Forgot to mention this is also a non-ASR engine, the amount of wire harnesses and modules even on the simpler 6cyl is a bit staggering.I think adapting a BMW M50 motronic would probably be easier, Steve Geyer has done this swap with his 190E, he would be an excellent source for this. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. Set starter in place if it isn't already and reconnect wires. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. the volvo is a non turbo auto which will become a t-5R 5 spd in the future. All new control harnesses would need to be fabricated for all of the car's systems and the battery and cables run to the trunk. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. All bolt-in, no welding required. Take whatever "positive vibes" translates to monetarily and treat your 036 with a barrage of restorative upgrades and needed and not-so-needed service and maintenance and probably still have some money to buy $5k euro headlights. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? If the fuel pump runs does this indicate power? Doing the upgrades on an E420 is plug+play, and easily done if you have the ability to handle an engine swap. Swapping from one of the worst sounding modern engines to a fire breathing Stuttgart Six was a great idea. I would also like to do suspension up grades and a EVOII kit in the future. Will be taking it there soon so I'll post my times. i dont think i need to do anything to the firewall. Not to mention, but on the 500E, the computers are located under the hood, and the battery is located in the trunk. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. For reference: I've owned/own 2 M104 swapped 190Es. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Note that the battery is located under the hood on an E320, and the couple of computers there are, are located just behind the battery under the windshield. That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. w16302ML500 w21097E50Amg w20299C230K w12494420e /==>w12495320e-199u (needs elec TLC) /GreatWhiteNorth Kanada, I dont think w210 would be the right forum for this but i changed it, 89 190E2.6- 5-speed Manual - 200K miles, 95 E320 Sportsline-sold, 2001 E320 4matic Wagon-sold. I've gotten the complete HFM/CC/ISC harnesses out, ready to harvest more. Black striped white vacuum line for throttle body, Remove overflow pipe to coolant reservoir, Wiring under both headlights and loom ties, Bolt on driver side securing pipe to chassis, Disconnect supply and return lines on pump, Return behind ignition coil, 17mm and 14mm, Disconnect main engine wiring and set aside, Disconnect auxiliary wiring and set aside, Cruise control servo (8 pin connector under ABS pump), Crankshaft position sensor (front) underneath X92, Disconnect exhaust downpipes from exhaust manifold, Disconnect transmission shifter linkage(s), Suggest removing entirely to avoid bending the rods accidentally, Disconnect transmission slave cylinder fluid line (manuals only). My M104 is a 99 hfm. We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. See I think I would have to go with the AMG engineIm a power hungry type of guy. So one day we decided that that nobody has ever ( that I've seen) built and successfully completed a 500e wagon. via Oppositelock. Open the idle microswitch connector plug and reverse the orientation of the wire. Team Lovetap is a Swedish drift team started by driver and fabricator Mrten Stngberg. JavaScript is disabled. Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. Use your original engine mounts and exhaust downpipe, these are a direct fit to the m104. Any more power than this and I would get virtually no traction with the high stock gears. Another option is to swap in the CIS version of the M104 engine found on the earliest M104 powered cars (1990-1992 300CE and 1990-1993 300SL). This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. I want mercedes V8 power, or at least AMG 6 cylinder. Mounting the 190E A/C manifold to the engine block introduces a problem where the A/C compressor can no longer be mounted to the accessory bracket. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. Heater core and radiator connections are both identical, M103 vacuum hard line fits well, 124.104 PS Pump has larger fittings 201.103 is direct replacement just swap over rear mount bracket, late model 124 AC discharge lines up with condenser..suction just needs one crimp to combine 103 upper and 104 lower half R R0BB09 E500E Newbie Aug 10, 2019 The body features a custom widebody designed by SeidoWorks. i'd ditch the 18's and go with 16 or 17's you really don't want to tear apart a good working 2.6 5-spd because they are getting harder and harder to come by. Although this is still a tiny bit longer and almost doesn't fit. An additional option is to have a high pressure diagnostic port installed as well since this port will be lost from switching to the M104 A/C manifold. And if so is there no way around it? The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. from my search I limit the option for an engine swap between the M104.980 from w124 300ce 24v and the M104.990 from a W140 320. If you want a really nice one, I'm guessing it will likely end up in the $4-$8k ballpark. Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. Using the ones meant for a W124 will result in the engine sitting too high and interfere with hood closing, Removed the engine mount support arms from the original 190E motor and transferred to the new M104 motor. It was built for the track and drifting. Picture time, A few more things for anyone wanting to do the swap. this is why my mercedes is a stock classic show car and my NA volvo 850 GLT is going to me my tuned performance car. Your original gearbox will work fine with the new engine, but bear in mind it's much easier to remove the gearbox and engine together than separate them in the car. Simply put, the M103 and M104 share the same block, primary differences are the head and the injection setup. One thing i forgot to mention, the sway bar and the skid plate needs to be modified but thats easy peasy. Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. I think mine should run 14's no problem at the track. Hello, I'm new to the Mercedes world, just picked up a 1993 190e 2.6 sportline 5spd manual for my daily driver. Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. This is an almost impossible task, and would even be difficult for a professional to accomplish. Connect common ground at intake manifold. '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Also depends if you are willing to take on a "mechanic's special" that is cheap because they couldn't figure out what's wrong with it. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. I just like to make plan on what and how I am going to do it so when it comes time I know exactly what needs to be done. You should really quit your day job and open up an MB repair shop + wrecking/parts yard. Since then the car has seen a lot of action. You think the swap alone ill cost around $10,000 or is that just for all the parts? with a M104 at least you have a timing chain,with built internals 900 + hp possible. I have a friend who had a 3.0L from a 300E in his 190 and it was pretty quick too. Affectionately called the LS-190, the swap looked to be carefully planned out, and rather well executed. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. Which is still ~1/3 of what the same condition E500E would be. Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. How to get your M119 5.0L V8 running optimally? The car has been completely rebuilt with upgraded suspension, brakes and drift-spec steering. 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